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	<title>Comments on: Joint Review: Soulless by Gail Carriger</title>
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		<title>By: Heather Massey</title>
		<link>http://thebooksmugglers.com/2009/10/joint-review-soulless-by-gail-carriger.html/comment-page-1#comment-12172</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Massey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thea and Ana, thanks for such a thoughtful, in-depth review.

@Gail To me, a wide-angle view implies using steampunk as an umbrella term for pure steampunk, steampunk hybrids, and stories with steampunk elements, which is a different matter than actually defining the nature of steampunk.

We *could* define steampunk as anything with steampunk elements no matter how few or numerous, but I think that would lead to misrepresentations of stories, especially if a reader is looking for wall-to-wall steampunk but gets only one or two elements. Publishers can only fit a word or two on a book&#039;s spine, so it&#039;s up to authors and readers to communicate with each other about what that marketing label actually means.

For what it&#039;s worth, after reading NEW BLOOD, I personally define it as alt-historical fantasy romance with steampunk elements. I really dig your mechanical critters, but didn&#039;t feel they were front and center enough to make the book pure steampunk (other readers&#039; mileages may vary). 

However, NEW BLOOD could work very well to introduce readers new to steampunk. They&#039;d get a taste, to test the waters as it were, instead of a wall-to-wall infusion. Pure steampunk has a fierce learning curve, so it&#039;s great to see hybrids available that make the learning curve fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thea and Ana, thanks for such a thoughtful, in-depth review.</p>
<p>@Gail To me, a wide-angle view implies using steampunk as an umbrella term for pure steampunk, steampunk hybrids, and stories with steampunk elements, which is a different matter than actually defining the nature of steampunk.</p>
<p>We *could* define steampunk as anything with steampunk elements no matter how few or numerous, but I think that would lead to misrepresentations of stories, especially if a reader is looking for wall-to-wall steampunk but gets only one or two elements. Publishers can only fit a word or two on a book&#8217;s spine, so it&#8217;s up to authors and readers to communicate with each other about what that marketing label actually means.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, after reading NEW BLOOD, I personally define it as alt-historical fantasy romance with steampunk elements. I really dig your mechanical critters, but didn&#8217;t feel they were front and center enough to make the book pure steampunk (other readers&#8217; mileages may vary). </p>
<p>However, NEW BLOOD could work very well to introduce readers new to steampunk. They&#8217;d get a taste, to test the waters as it were, instead of a wall-to-wall infusion. Pure steampunk has a fierce learning curve, so it&#8217;s great to see hybrids available that make the learning curve fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Maili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Ana&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;To me , in order to a book to be considered full blow Steampunk, the society the story portrays, the story itself needs to be UNABLE to function without those elements. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s an excellent short answer. Yeah, I&#039;m with you on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Ana</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>To me , in order to a book to be considered full blow Steampunk, the society the story portrays, the story itself needs to be UNABLE to function without those elements. </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s an excellent short answer. Yeah, I&#8217;m with you on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ana!  I listened to the first minute or so (audiobooks and I do not get along) and it sounded reasonably promising - will have to go look for it in the bookstore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ana!  I listened to the first minute or so (audiobooks and I do not get along) and it sounded reasonably promising &#8211; will have to go look for it in the bookstore.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwenhwyfar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwenhwyfar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVED IT!

Thought it was hysterical and actually got peevish with children who kept demanding mundane things from me (dinner, lunch, laundry...) and would not let me alone to read.

Haven&#039;t read any Amelia Peabody, but liked this so much, may just head out to library.

Can&#039;t wait for the Changeless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVED IT!</p>
<p>Thought it was hysterical and actually got peevish with children who kept demanding mundane things from me (dinner, lunch, laundry&#8230;) and would not let me alone to read.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t read any Amelia Peabody, but liked this so much, may just head out to library.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait for the Changeless!</p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Li - You can go to the author&#039;s site and listen to a free sample here: http://www.gailcarriger.com/

Hope that helps! :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li &#8211; You can go to the author&#8217;s site and listen to a free sample here: <a href="http://www.gailcarriger.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gailcarriger.com/</a></p>
<p>Hope that helps! <img src='http://thebooksmugglers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments! :mrgreen: 

Gail - interesting question. It seems that there is a lot of discussion about the very definition of Steampunk. I like Scott Westerfeld&#039;s one - I recently read Leviathan and there is an afterword in which he says that Steampunk is about &quot;Possible futures and alternate pasts&quot; in which steam power is used. 

To me , in order to a book to be  considered full blow Steampunk, the society the story portrays, the story itself needs to be UNABLE to function without those elements. In Soulless, there are a couple of dirigibles, and some automatons but Alexia&#039;s day to day life is not at all affected by those elements. 

I am not of course, an expert. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments! <img src='http://thebooksmugglers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gail &#8211; interesting question. It seems that there is a lot of discussion about the very definition of Steampunk. I like Scott Westerfeld&#8217;s one &#8211; I recently read Leviathan and there is an afterword in which he says that Steampunk is about &#8220;Possible futures and alternate pasts&#8221; in which steam power is used. </p>
<p>To me , in order to a book to be  considered full blow Steampunk, the society the story portrays, the story itself needs to be UNABLE to function without those elements. In Soulless, there are a couple of dirigibles, and some automatons but Alexia&#8217;s day to day life is not at all affected by those elements. </p>
<p>I am not of course, an expert. <img src='http://thebooksmugglers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: heidenkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>heidenkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Hmmm, I think maybe I&#039;ll re-read Amelia Peabody first. =\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Hmmm, I think maybe I&#8217;ll re-read Amelia Peabody first. =\</p>
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		<title>By: Gail Dayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to ask about your definition of &quot;steampunk&quot;- Is it the cool mechanicals that make it steampunk? Or the Victorian era, or what? 

I personally lean toward the wideangle view of it-- anything that is set in the era of steam, with magic/fantastical elements to it. Do y&#039;all agree?

I consider the Naomi Novik dragon books to be at least steampunk-ish. I call my own books (New Blood and those following) steampunk--but they do have mechanical critters... I just wonder how y&#039;all would define it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to ask about your definition of &#8220;steampunk&#8221;- Is it the cool mechanicals that make it steampunk? Or the Victorian era, or what? </p>
<p>I personally lean toward the wideangle view of it&#8211; anything that is set in the era of steam, with magic/fantastical elements to it. Do y&#8217;all agree?</p>
<p>I consider the Naomi Novik dragon books to be at least steampunk-ish. I call my own books (New Blood and those following) steampunk&#8211;but they do have mechanical critters&#8230; I just wonder how y&#8217;all would define it.</p>
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		<title>By: danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? I JUST got my copy in the mail yesterday, and I was literally jumping up and down with excitment. Dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? I JUST got my copy in the mail yesterday, and I was literally jumping up and down with excitment. Dang.</p>
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		<title>By: SonomaLass</title>
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		<dc:creator>SonomaLass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently someone recommended a book to me that I could not read. I&#039;ll never know if I would have liked it or not, but it was Jacobean, with a Scottish hero named Jamie, and I could not get past that at all.

Intentional or unintentional, sometimes associations with other books really affect whether you can enjoy a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently someone recommended a book to me that I could not read. I&#8217;ll never know if I would have liked it or not, but it was Jacobean, with a Scottish hero named Jamie, and I could not get past that at all.</p>
<p>Intentional or unintentional, sometimes associations with other books really affect whether you can enjoy a book.</p>
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